[00:00:00] The super villains of British cop-pop culture, uh, why don't I say cop-pulture?
[00:00:05] I don't know because you're trying to do a thing?
[00:00:08] I am. I'm trying to get out, right?
[00:00:11] See, this has thrown me off completely. This break and pause in our recording.
[00:00:15] It's completely ruined my momentum.
[00:00:21] So be actress to the bishop.
[00:00:32] Hi, you're listening to Brazil Nuts with Larissa Peixoto, political scientist and Gareth Davis, international man of mystery.
[00:00:41] In this episode we talk about the end of Twitter or X in Brazil.
[00:00:48] Thanks for listening.
[00:00:49] Thank you.
[00:00:53] Podcasting has become so... meh, lately, that I just want to make sure ours has substance.
[00:01:05] Okay.
[00:01:07] Yeah.
[00:01:08] So why has podcasting become so... I'm using your words here, meh.
[00:01:20] Because it is literally just... oh, we're friends. We can have a chat with microphones and then we think people will listen to it and then we'll post clips on Instagram.
[00:01:36] But to be fair that's what we used to do with our podcast.
[00:01:40] No, because we talk about actual stuff.
[00:01:43] Did we? You did. I didn't.
[00:01:47] But without you it would just be a mad woman obsessed with politics.
[00:01:53] I needed you to validate what I was...
[00:01:56] Your feelings? You're talking.
[00:01:58] No, this isn't Love Is Blind. We're not talking about Love Is Blind. This is not a Love Is Blind podcast.
[00:02:03] Now again, I'm going to pitch this idea to you.
[00:02:07] No, I'm not doing Love Is Blind React videos.
[00:02:11] I think we should.
[00:02:13] I have an actual job that I would look very silly if I did Love Is Blind React.
[00:02:22] But it's enough for me that people know I watch Love Is Blind, not the latest Brazilian season because there were actual domestic violence abusers on it.
[00:02:34] And actual domestic violence taking place during the season.
[00:02:39] But that's the thing. We can talk about that via this vehicle.
[00:02:45] Oh so you want me to bring up domestic violence while reacting to Love Is Blind?
[00:02:52] I mean not really, no, because that would be kind of like a bummer and if I'm honest with you the last thing people would do when watching a reaction video on YouTube is leave it feeling depressed.
[00:03:05] Exactly. Besides, you just want to make fun of my expressions?
[00:03:10] No, I don't want to do anything at all. I do not want to make fun of anything that you do at all whatsoever.
[00:03:17] You just think it's funny when I go run away from this man, you stupid stupid lady, you are better than this.
[00:03:26] I mean that in itself is a work of genius because at both points you are telling this woman that she is better than this but also criticizing her intelligence at the same time.
[00:03:37] Because we have been socialized to mate at all costs despite any brilliance that we have on our own.
[00:03:50] We feel like if we're not married we can't shine and it's depressing and sad and women need to know.
[00:04:00] Okay cool, I'm so glad we started talking about Love Is Blind.
[00:04:04] I'm not because you convinced me to do this because there is a major event in Brazilian politics and that affects international politics, that it is affecting international culture.
[00:04:24] And now we're talking about Love Is Blind.
[00:04:28] Okay, so you wanted to record this because you sent me a message, it was like midnight and you went,
[00:04:37] Dude, Alexandre de Marais is blocking Twitter in Brazil. Oh my god.
[00:04:43] Well I think the thing is that we need to talk about Twitter in general and we need to talk about one of the things that has haunted me on Twitter the past couple of months.
[00:04:54] Which is the new norm. Now, you didn't make it to the end of the new norm did you?
[00:05:03] No, you sent me like a clip or it was like a...
[00:05:06] No that was the entire thing I sent you.
[00:05:09] Really? I thought it was like a trailer.
[00:05:13] No it's a pilot episode apparently.
[00:05:16] Oh yeah no I didn't make it to the end that was terrible and it made me physically ill.
[00:05:23] I am not kidding, I am not being hyperbolic.
[00:05:26] Okay well the issue is that things that make you physically ill are things that I get deeply obsessed with apparently.
[00:05:33] So this thing has ruined my life in only the way that things that strangers do can ruin my life.
[00:05:43] What I've done is I've spent the past two months just sitting there staring...
[00:05:49] I must have watched this thing like 17, 18 times.
[00:05:54] Without f- like I'm not kidding I can see your face looking at me like I need to be sectioned.
[00:06:00] I do understand.
[00:06:01] But you've never talked about this before and...
[00:06:05] No because I'm deeply ashamed by it but also if I talk about it that it sounds like it's a cry for help and it's really not.
[00:06:14] I think it is a little bit yeah.
[00:06:16] Well yeah it is actually a little bit.
[00:06:17] I'm worried now.
[00:06:18] But I mean if I'm gonna do a cry for help I'll at least do it for entertainment purposes.
[00:06:22] My point is that I've watched this thing a whole bunch of times and it's most...
[00:06:29] Initially I watched it because I was entirely bewildered by it and I had to watch it again and again and again
[00:06:34] just to try and make sense of it.
[00:06:36] Just to try and make sense of the world that we're living in.
[00:06:39] And then I became involved in asking questions and kind of trying to analyse this thing
[00:06:45] because when it comes to... for those of you who don't know what this is right
[00:06:49] this is an animated comedy that claims to be exclusive to Twitter or X or whatever we're calling it.
[00:06:56] Massive quotes around comedy.
[00:06:59] Okay right yes.
[00:07:01] It is not funny.
[00:07:02] Well here's the thing right this is what I think is genuinely happening with this.
[00:07:08] Again this is something that I've become obsessed by because whenever you make any kind of artistic endeavour
[00:07:16] it's about the choices that you make and now sometimes those choices can be constricted by
[00:07:24] budget and equipment at experience level and talent but the choices that you make define
[00:07:33] the product that you produce.
[00:07:34] Whenever it comes to any artistic endeavour whatsoever the issue with this is if I'm honest with you
[00:07:42] I do not understand any of the choices that have been made here at all whatsoever.
[00:07:46] I cannot wrap my brain around any of them and it fascinates me and disturbs me in equal measure
[00:07:53] and therefore I must know everything about it.
[00:07:55] I think the choice is to make people like me violently ill.
[00:07:59] Well no because I've researched this right okay so I actually had to go back and try and work out.
[00:08:05] No the new norm started life as a webcomic on Instagram and you can still see the account for this
[00:08:13] is still up on Instagram right now so it's been floating about for about a year or so.
[00:08:17] There's only about seven different comics on this Instagram account and none of them are any good
[00:08:23] whatsoever but they do kind of follow the same pattern as the new norm does which is that
[00:08:29] they're jokes using and I use the jokes that term loosely but it's jokes using right-wing buzzwords
[00:08:38] like how crazy is that this person is identifying as a 17 year old girl now therefore this grown man
[00:08:44] can take part in high school sports and so on it's it's that kind of level of comedy that we're talking about shit.
[00:08:53] Yeah so it's just not comedy at all.
[00:08:55] Well we'll get to it.
[00:08:58] Oh my god.
[00:08:59] But when you look at this account they do things which are really weird like they
[00:09:04] tag a mic judge and things like that in an effort to try and get you know some sort of
[00:09:10] recognition I guess for their work but it also means that they really don't understand any of
[00:09:16] Mike judges work at all whatsoever because this is not the kind of thing that Mike judges likely to respond
[00:09:22] to positively in any way shape or form.
[00:09:26] However what they then do is they take this kind of concept and they've obviously applied it to a full
[00:09:34] blown animated series and it is tragically bad it is horrible in ways that are deeply deeply deeply unsettling
[00:09:44] but what I don't understand is how you cannot know that how you could produce this and not understand
[00:09:50] that it's deeply bad.
[00:09:52] I will say for others like me who recognize the name Mike judge but do not remember who
[00:09:59] that is is the person who created the likes of Bevis and Butthead and King of the Hill.
[00:10:06] I just google that.
[00:10:08] Yeah and I do know I can understand how people like right wingers have grown up watching this
[00:10:17] and now think that what they're doing is similar to it because they didn't understand it so they
[00:10:24] think now Mike judge will relate to it.
[00:10:28] He won't obviously because what he was doing was completely different and supposed to be ironic
[00:10:35] but these guys don't know that because the concept of irony is beyond them and that's how I think that they
[00:10:42] don't know that it's bad what they're doing.
[00:10:46] The other thing about all of this of course is that it doesn't make sense in when you watch it.
[00:10:54] It doesn't make sense as a viewing experience because for reasons that I don't understand it has a
[00:11:00] laugh track on it.
[00:11:01] I think maybe nostalgia like oh things don't have laugh tracks anymore.
[00:11:08] Yeah I mean I actually do know the reason why it has a laugh track on it because I've spent too much time
[00:11:14] reading all about this and apparently the people who make it want it to be like all in the family
[00:11:19] and therefore have that classic sitcom studio sitcom three-camera feel to it which is fine which is okay
[00:11:26] but the issue with this is of course is that it means that you have people laughing at bits which aren't jokes
[00:11:33] and it's bizarre.
[00:11:35] It's like this bizarre like kind of alternate experience of what a comedy should be.
[00:11:40] It's like a parody of a sitcom rather than a sitcom itself.
[00:11:44] It's utterly bonkers.
[00:11:45] There is however one good joke in it.
[00:11:50] Oh my god.
[00:11:52] Is it a moment where they've never actually used the laugh track and that's why it's good.
[00:11:56] They never actually assumed that that was supposed to be funny.
[00:12:00] No no there is one I say good joke.
[00:12:02] I mean we have lowered the bar significantly here.
[00:12:05] It's not a joke that is a great joke.
[00:12:09] It's a joke that is a joke that wouldn't necessarily be out of place in a sitcom from the late 80s, early 90s, that kind of era
[00:12:18] which is one of the characters complaining about his son transitioning
[00:12:23] and the other character says to them what transitioning to what
[00:12:27] and the original character goes I hope not a jet span which in itself
[00:12:32] Oh my god.
[00:12:35] Honestly comparatively that is a standing old joke compared to the rest of things that's going on here.
[00:12:43] Now this is so bad that people initially automatically think that it's been written by AI
[00:12:49] but like chat GPT or something.
[00:12:52] This I disagree with because I tried to get chat GPT to write this.
[00:12:57] I'd spend hours upon hours upon hours of telling chat GPT this but less well
[00:13:05] and honestly the stuff that chat GPT came up with was a thousand times better.
[00:13:12] I've been trying to kind of work out where this comes from
[00:13:16] and the only thing I can actually settle on is that it's the laziest kind of right-wing grift I think I've ever seen.
[00:13:24] Now we used to seeing right-wing grifts online.
[00:13:28] No they're lazier.
[00:13:30] The Donald Trump trading cards is lazier.
[00:13:34] Come on.
[00:13:35] This at least has actual animation being made.
[00:13:40] Right so first up the actual animation being made for this is the laziest type of animation you can possibly do.
[00:13:47] It's that kind of thing and I don't know the actual term for it
[00:13:50] but it's where the model is already pre-existing you just click and move with your mouse
[00:13:55] and they just move like a puppet kind of thing.
[00:13:58] That's what the animation is.
[00:14:00] Secondly in regards to the Donald Trump trading cards there's a professionally produced advert for that.
[00:14:07] Now it's insane.
[00:14:09] I'm not arguing that.
[00:14:11] It is entirely bonkers but it is professionally produced.
[00:14:16] It is a 4AM informational.
[00:14:17] Right there are explosions there are wailing guitars it's a thing.
[00:14:25] Okay but how does this relate to more eyes and musk?
[00:14:32] Right because you didn't get to the best bit of this episode right because at the end of this episode
[00:14:40] what happens is there is a theme song for this show
[00:14:45] and it's one of those theme songs that sounds a bit like
[00:14:47] do you ever remember the episodes of Parks and Rec
[00:14:53] where they're staging a concert and they go and try and find like a young country in western star to hire
[00:15:01] and they've done a song about how great the troops are and also thank you to our mums that song.
[00:15:08] Yes.
[00:15:09] Yeah okay so this is kind of that type of song.
[00:15:13] Now this one might actually be AI because it does sound a little bit robotic and a little bit but it's
[00:15:18] oh my god thank god for right it's that kind of you know so anyway at the end of it
[00:15:26] they play out with that theme song and the theme song lyrics are something along the lines of
[00:15:31] I don't know when this will goodnight Maryland
[00:15:35] but thank god for Elon Musk and his ship posting memes X is the home of free speech like that right
[00:15:46] for God it's awful and then an animated Elon Musk turns up and basically just does finger guns in the air
[00:15:54] while this is happening I mean you did send me the gift for that again these are choices that people
[00:16:04] have made like somebody decided to do this and I don't know why and it's driving me insane
[00:16:12] and so we need to talk about it but also we need to talk about something X related so I can talk about this
[00:16:19] because it's driving me insane.
[00:16:23] I'm so glad you're doing your university course because someday you will finally be able to
[00:16:30] actually research this stuff and you won't have to tell me about it.
[00:16:36] No I will still tell you about it I will just tell more people about it.
[00:16:41] Okay so if anybody has a slot available anybody who's a psych a trained psychologist
[00:16:48] send me an email and I will direct you to Gareth thank you.
[00:16:54] This is the problem I can when something like this happens I'm like Colombo there's an amazing episode of Colombo
[00:17:01] right stay with me on this one there's an amazing episode of Colombo in fact all episodes of Colombo
[00:17:08] are in their own way amazing and brilliant and we should bring it back but we can't because
[00:17:13] he's dead.
[00:17:14] Yeah I know that I'm just saying that you know Mark Ruffalo isn't doing anything
[00:17:19] right now that I know of.
[00:17:22] Why Mark Ruffalo?
[00:17:25] Why not Ruffalo he did perfect it would be better than Mark Ruffalo as Colombo.
[00:17:29] Just because he also has like an eye smaller than the other because so do I.
[00:17:35] No it's because he looks like he's a duvet that's been slept in that's what he looks like
[00:17:41] like he's got that crumpled quality to him.
[00:17:45] Okay so the scratching your brain pay.
[00:17:50] Yeah so anyway there's an amazing episode of Colombo where Peter Falk is he's just messing
[00:17:58] around or whatever and what have you and he goes he says something along the lines of
[00:18:03] there's a light in my brain that gets turned on and then I just can't switch it off
[00:18:09] and that's what this feels like this it feels like it's like there's something that I
[00:18:14] just can't get rid of.
[00:18:16] Do you feel sometimes like you're being driven by a motor that you can't turn off?
[00:18:23] Oh sure why not yeah.
[00:18:25] What do you think happens to me when I hyper focus on stuff?
[00:18:30] Yeah but you just you know great.
[00:18:35] You're gonna say crazy.
[00:18:37] No no no I would never I would never other people might say that about me I would
[00:18:47] never say that about you.
[00:18:49] So you wanted to bring the whole Alechandre de Morais thing with the new norm thing
[00:18:54] because Elon Musk likes to say that Twitter is a place for freedom of speech
[00:19:01] is that it?
[00:19:03] Sure yeah I mean no sure yes not really no I just needed to talk about the new
[00:19:11] norm if I'm honest with you and it was it was sort of related to what we're
[00:19:16] gonna be talking about today.
[00:19:17] So you just wanted to find a way that I would listen to you talking about the
[00:19:21] new norm without shushing you.
[00:19:25] That's right yes.
[00:19:26] And so you suggested a podcast.
[00:19:29] Yes that's right yes.
[00:19:33] You manipulated me into recording a podcast.
[00:19:37] No a little but I'm I've got it off my chest now and I tell you what I feel
[00:19:43] a whole lot better.
[00:19:44] The one reason I'm not turning all of this off the reason why we made Brazil nuts
[00:19:52] is still a reason there aren't any good sources for information on Brazilian
[00:20:00] politics and this is like a major event that is affecting world news people
[00:20:08] are talking about it is coming out in international from my perspective
[00:20:14] newspapers and even in Brazil people now no longer have access to Twitter
[00:20:23] and I will still say Twitter because X is a stupid name.
[00:20:27] But it is the home of free speech.
[00:20:29] And people find themselves journalists find themselves having to talk about
[00:20:33] this in very formal ways and using words like allegedly and having to say
[00:20:42] whatever the latest crazy nonsense Elon Musk has said.
[00:20:47] So we still need somebody who will be honest and direct about it without
[00:20:54] having to use the very important subterfuges that the press has to
[00:21:00] use and none of the batshit crazy stuff that the right wing uses on
[00:21:05] Twitter to protect must so I will be manipulated into recording this
[00:21:11] podcast.
[00:21:12] Okay but we can't get sued you know that nobody's going to sue us.
[00:21:17] I'll you I'll say allegedly I promise but I will also use plenty of swear words.
[00:21:22] Okay good excellent because I don't know about you yes but Elon Musk
[00:21:26] can afford more and better lawyers than I can.
[00:21:30] Yeah but he doesn't care about what I have to say.
[00:21:33] I think you'll find that he's kind of that right.
[00:21:38] It reminds me of the time my dad wrote about this city counsellor who pushed
[00:21:45] another city counsellor out of the way and the original the city counsellor
[00:21:50] who was pushed was an elderly blind man and so my dad wrote about this
[00:21:58] and the pusher wanted to sue my dad and my dad took it as a badge of honour.
[00:22:05] He thought it was amazing like he was a journalist and he was you know writing
[00:22:11] the truth and yeah I feel Elon Musk wants to sue me because I'm calling him
[00:22:17] out as a weenie and a dumbass then go for it.
[00:22:25] Cool okay I would just like to say on record that I think that Elon Musk is a
[00:22:30] wonderful human being.
[00:22:31] Oh my god don't say that you're gonna have nightmares and you know it.
[00:22:35] It's gonna be like that woman from Australia who tried to keep people
[00:22:39] from seeing her god awful painting which was meant to be god awful painting
[00:22:44] and it ended up with everyone in the world seeing it.
[00:22:50] Like if Elon Musk tried to sue me for calling him a weenie it would just
[00:22:54] ended up Brazilian political scientist calls Elon Musk a weenie and gets sued for it.
[00:23:02] Elon Musk is not man enough to be called a weenie.
[00:23:06] But the thing is about Elon Musk one of the it's this kind of amazing
[00:23:13] reversal of public opinion on him or at least in some circumstances anyway you
[00:23:18] still get this weird kind of cult following that he has especially around
[00:23:26] particular demographic.
[00:23:27] I'm not calling them white males between the ages of 18 and 24 at all
[00:23:33] in any way shape or form but it's generally speaking that.
[00:23:36] No there are a lot of them in their 40s I know you're trying to get away
[00:23:39] from that.
[00:23:40] Do.
[00:23:43] Be cool.
[00:23:45] Anyway the thing with Elon Musk is that he's had this kind of like incredible
[00:23:49] kind of reversal of his public persona where he went from being Tony Stark,
[00:23:55] James Bond rolled into one this crazy maverick inventor who's a genius
[00:24:01] but also you know wild and carefree and on the right side of history and all
[00:24:08] that bollocks and then he went from that into being kind of seen as this
[00:24:16] kind of ridiculously like almost this comic buffoon really.
[00:24:23] A weenie and a dumbass.
[00:24:25] Well yes but I just wanted to say that's I'm not saying that that's
[00:24:29] the man himself though well I'm pretty sure is a hero.
[00:24:33] I'm just saying that you know that's sometimes how his public persona is
[00:24:40] portrayed.
[00:24:40] I think one of the best things I ever saw was the famous now when he was
[00:24:48] asked about advertising on Twitter and he said that his reply was what do you
[00:24:53] say to people who don't want to advertise on Twitter and his reply
[00:24:56] was go fuck yourself and this was in some kind of public setting or whatever
[00:25:00] it was an interview with somebody I don't really know what it was I should
[00:25:03] have looked it up before coming on here but I don't care all that much either.
[00:25:07] So anyway he does this thing and then he looks to the crowd around him
[00:25:12] and he's expecting them to like stand up and cheer and applaud because
[00:25:16] that's the reaction he gets to anything he does on Twitter from that
[00:25:21] kind of following that he has.
[00:25:23] He's met with silence like there isn't a response to this other than
[00:25:28] just an uncomfortable shuffling amongst the audience.
[00:25:31] It's deeply weird to see his reaction to that because his reaction to
[00:25:35] that is a man frozen in time with that kind of Joe caress grin he has
[00:25:41] across his face and I think it's I think that says more about him than anything
[00:25:46] else.
[00:25:47] I mean I think that Joe caress grin is like when your mom tells you to not
[00:25:51] leave the house in the wind and when you're warm and it's cold
[00:25:56] outside because your face will freeze like that.
[00:25:59] Really is that what your mom used to tell you?
[00:26:01] Yes.
[00:26:02] Oh okay mine was if the wind changes.
[00:26:05] But basically in his case it's just plastic surgery.
[00:26:08] Is this a thing that all moms do?
[00:26:10] Like is this the universe or fate?
[00:26:12] In Brazil we have a saying that says mums are all the same you just
[00:26:16] change the address.
[00:26:18] Okay, alright then yeah we need more of this though we need
[00:26:22] more evidence from different cultures what would your mom say would
[00:26:26] happen?
[00:26:27] If I go over there and find it I'm gonna rub it in your face.
[00:26:33] Did your mom ever say that to you every time you ask mom where is my
[00:26:37] thing?
[00:26:38] No.
[00:26:38] Where is my insert here thing?
[00:26:40] No because my mother wasn't a lunatic.
[00:26:43] Are you sure you want to call my mom a lunatic?
[00:26:47] No your mom is terrifying I don't want to call your mom anything at all.
[00:26:50] That was adorable.
[00:26:51] I'm still pretty convinced your mom is a mobster.
[00:26:54] Dude.
[00:26:55] What?
[00:26:56] Stop fluffing the podcast.
[00:26:58] I'm not fluffing I excuse me?
[00:27:02] You never let me get to the issue that we are about that we are meant to
[00:27:07] talk about and this is just becoming one of those podcasts with nothing in
[00:27:11] it.
[00:27:14] This is not the sign filled of podcast.
[00:27:17] I think you'll find that I've never fluffed anything in my entire life.
[00:27:22] Not for one trying.
[00:27:26] I've turned up on shall we say movie sets and offered my services only to be
[00:27:34] told no.
[00:27:37] By the way I used to know a guy.
[00:27:40] Oh my god.
[00:27:40] I'm the one who goes on tangents.
[00:27:43] You're the child trapped in the back seat with a game boy and a nap?
[00:27:48] I mean you woke me up and said now you've got to deal with the
[00:27:50] consequences of this honestly.
[00:27:52] I used to know a guy.
[00:27:54] He used to claim that he was an adult movie star.
[00:27:58] And you never go go to be sure?
[00:28:00] Yeah I did several times.
[00:28:02] Never found it.
[00:28:03] I think he was making it up.
[00:28:04] I mean if you couldn't find it at some point I'm pretty sure.
[00:28:09] Talk about this bloody judge.
[00:28:10] Go on.
[00:28:13] So I was going to make a point.
[00:28:15] Before you start talking about the judge.
[00:28:17] I just want to point out that this man looks exactly like the hood from
[00:28:25] Thunderbirds.
[00:28:26] Now that's not a reference you'll get.
[00:28:28] No I do because you've talked about this often already.
[00:28:34] Okay.
[00:28:34] Even before we stop doing the podcast you've already explained the
[00:28:38] Thunderbirds to me multiple times.
[00:28:41] This guy right also looks like the Mekong which is the evil
[00:28:46] presence in British comic book comic strip Dandere.
[00:28:51] So he is deeply reminiscent of Supervillain from British pop culture
[00:28:57] from like the 70s and 80s.
[00:29:00] Like he looks exactly like something that's been dragged from that era
[00:29:03] and then just given life as a Brazilian judge.
[00:29:09] I mean yeah sure.
[00:29:10] It's the powerful eyebrows I think.
[00:29:13] I think that's what that's what does it.
[00:29:14] I think it's the no hair.
[00:29:16] It is also the no hair but it's the no hair and the prominent eyebrows
[00:29:19] I think.
[00:29:20] Like the juxtaposition between the two.
[00:29:22] I think he has very you know strong, cheap, I don't know.
[00:29:26] Anyway this is not about the fact that he looks like a villain
[00:29:28] because at this point so does Elon Musk.
[00:29:31] Yeah but Elon Musk looks like a villain in the sense that
[00:29:34] I take it that Elon Musk looks like every day he looks more
[00:29:39] and more like Jack Lawson's Joker.
[00:29:41] I know we've already made that reference but he really does look like it.
[00:29:46] So I was listening to the last Devin Hawking book
[00:29:52] and I got it on audiobook in part because I did get it for your daughter
[00:29:59] and I wanted to make sure that it wasn't crap
[00:30:03] even though I already got it for her.
[00:30:08] But I wanted to make sure that in case it was something
[00:30:12] that she might have questions about that you know it was answered.
[00:30:16] Yeah I mean I always find it's best to give people gifts
[00:30:19] and then prepare if you have to apologize for giving them that gift.
[00:30:23] And it turns out that one of the things I will have to apologize for
[00:30:29] or though I might not because when you put her in the attic with those fish heads
[00:30:34] it turns out that she also has access to the internet and books
[00:30:38] so she's smart enough to know that Elon Musk's Elon Musk is a creep
[00:30:43] because in that book Steven Hawking actually praises Elon Musk.
[00:30:50] He says he is a stand-up dude we've signed a joint letter about artificial intelligence
[00:30:57] and I think that was right before he died.
[00:31:03] That was the moment of transition from Elon Musk widely perceived
[00:31:09] as a genius to Elon Musk widely perceived as a buffoon.
[00:31:15] But no jets fan never jets fan.
[00:31:19] Oh because of the transition yes.
[00:31:23] I mean that's what they call a callback in the business.
[00:31:26] Yeah.
[00:31:26] And I think part of that is the children thing the whole
[00:31:33] the hiding of the children don't actually know how many children he has
[00:31:38] kind of like Boris Johnson.
[00:31:39] It's this really weird thing though with prominent right-wing figures
[00:31:44] that they don't have functional families like they have dysfunctional families
[00:31:49] all of them do.
[00:31:50] You look at your Trumps you look at your Boris Johnson
[00:31:54] you look at your Bolsonaro's you look at your Musk in this in this case
[00:31:59] and considering that that's like the bedrock a foundational principle
[00:32:03] that they preach about you think it'd be something that they would really take care of
[00:32:07] if even if right even if behind closed doors
[00:32:11] your entire family is a dumpster fire.
[00:32:15] Okay.
[00:32:16] Even if that's the case you would think that you would at least massage
[00:32:21] the public image so you would come across as the Waltons
[00:32:25] but they just don't they just don't give a shit about any of that at all.
[00:32:29] It's like yeah no we believe in family first nor the rest of it
[00:32:32] but just don't look at my family because my family is essentially
[00:32:37] an absolute kind of mess from top to bottom.
[00:32:42] Yeah and it's bizarre because if they are kind of dressing it up
[00:32:47] for the public can you imagine the dumpster fire that it is behind closed doors?
[00:32:54] Well indeed absolutely I mean you look at Baron Trump for God's sake I mean
[00:32:57] what is Baron Trump it's like that kid he's being dragged around
[00:33:03] having this current election cycle as this kind of shining beacon
[00:33:07] of the new generation of the Trump family and all the rest of it.
[00:33:12] I mean does he even talk?
[00:33:13] I don't know but he kind of there's something of the night about him shall we say.
[00:33:20] And then you have Musk's daughter who he's disowned so she wrote that open letter
[00:33:29] because he didn't accept her transition and said all those awful things about her
[00:33:34] and that was like that was extremely brave of her but
[00:33:37] the point of this podcast is not to talk about right wing men and their weirdo families
[00:33:45] even though go Tim Walls with the whole weird comment.
[00:33:49] I love that though I love that like his kids were there right this is something
[00:33:54] that we do need to talk about as well because we get away too long so we've got
[00:33:59] all this stuff to catch up on.
[00:34:00] You said this was a one-time thing.
[00:34:02] This is where there will be a one-time thing we're never doing this again.
[00:34:05] So Tim Walls's son that moment when it cut to him and he was like proudly standing
[00:34:14] and applauding and crying I'll be honest with you.
[00:34:20] You cried?
[00:34:21] I mean I'm a very cynical man.
[00:34:23] Uh-huh never cry.
[00:34:25] I never cry about anything at all whatsoever except literally everything
[00:34:29] but that got me that did get me and I'm not a sh- I mean that's the thing
[00:34:37] when you actually have a loving relationship with your child.
[00:34:41] This is one of the things that people I think get a little bit twisted about
[00:34:45] you don't feel that you should your children should make you proud
[00:34:49] which is what the child feels like the child feels that they should make the parent proud
[00:34:54] the parent on the other hand just wants their child to be proud of them
[00:34:58] and that's I think that hit that button for me it was that it was that that love
[00:35:04] and that appreciation that Walt's Jr. had really really kind of it did it's a lovely moment
[00:35:11] it's a lovely beautiful moment I think it should be celebrated
[00:35:14] and then when you go on to your social medias and you see your Republicans calling it weird
[00:35:21] it does I think do them a disservice which is why you know people like
[00:35:27] Anne Gauter and so on so forth have deleted those tweets say this
[00:35:30] but it is it is something that I think that they fail to understand
[00:35:34] that that is something that if you're putting family first that's exactly the kind of family
[00:35:39] first message that you want to deliver.
[00:35:42] Says me I'm available to be hired as a political campaign manager
[00:35:46] I mean turns out you just have to be on the traders US like John Birkhouse
[00:35:51] we need to do an episode on that as well we just need to do an episode on John Birkhouse
[00:35:58] John Birkhouse being on the on the traders US
[00:36:00] I mean that's another thing you wanted me to do a reaction to
[00:36:04] yeah you should
[00:36:06] but anyway what happened with Twitter and Brazil
[00:36:10] go on
[00:36:11] Alexandre de Morais is a justice in the Brazilian Supreme Court
[00:36:17] now how do you pronounce when you refer to him
[00:36:21] yes by the surname
[00:36:24] you can say Jim or eyes or you can say more ice
[00:36:28] okay but it's more ice more ice
[00:36:32] more ice close enough
[00:36:34] every time every fucking time we do this
[00:36:38] I pronounce something absolutely perfectly it was an absolute I mean
[00:36:42] it was really good for somebody who doesn't speak Portuguese
[00:36:46] it was great
[00:36:48] oh get fucked you patronizing wanker
[00:36:54] anyway so if anybody does anybody who's listening does speak Portuguese
[00:37:00] I definitely do recommend the podcast Alexandre by Trouvão Mídia
[00:37:08] and he'd be the P.I.E.
[00:37:10] it's on Spotify
[00:37:12] I heard it last year
[00:37:14] and I was listening to it or a couple of episodes yesterday
[00:37:18] just to remind myself of his background
[00:37:23] the stuff he's done before becoming a justice
[00:37:26] because we've talked about how a lot of these fictional
[00:37:30] this TV shows like Grey's Anatomy
[00:37:33] and other stuff about lawyers and as suits
[00:37:37] you mentioned suits they all focus on people who are infallible
[00:37:42] so even when they make mistakes they are perfect in their mistakes
[00:37:48] it's a perfect learning moment
[00:37:50] yeah I mean the first season of suits is one of my favorite shows
[00:37:54] that I like to hate watch
[00:37:56] honestly because I have even learned the character names if I'm honest with you
[00:38:02] but that first season of suits is basically just everybody walking around
[00:38:07] talking about how amazing that lawyer is
[00:38:10] well it's handsome one guy one handsome guy two
[00:38:13] and the woman who was a goddess on Angel and then was on Firefly
[00:38:18] yes I'd also married to Laurence Fishburne
[00:38:21] that I didn't know
[00:38:22] I mean to be fair Laurence Fishburne was kind of punching above his weight there wasn't he?
[00:38:28] a little bit
[00:38:28] I mean she was literally a beautiful goddess on Angel
[00:38:33] to the point that people were enchanted by her beauty
[00:38:36] yeah exactly and Laurence Fishburne just looks like Laurence Fishburne
[00:38:41] okay so
[00:38:42] I mean I'm sure there's some people out there who find Laurence Fishburne very attractive
[00:38:47] during?
[00:38:49] not recently though
[00:38:50] oh my god can we get through the actual content of this podcast
[00:38:55] maybe a younger Laurence Fishburne?
[00:38:58] I can't imagine though modern day Laurence Fishburne people are like you know
[00:39:03] poor
[00:39:05] getting all
[00:39:07] hot
[00:39:08] why are you being mean to Laurie's Fishburne when I'm just trying to talk about Brazilian politics like you asked me to do
[00:39:15] I don't know and I really like Laurence Fishburne as well
[00:39:19] I like some of the movies he's been in
[00:39:21] I like John Wick and I like
[00:39:24] the first Matrix Boys in the Hood
[00:39:26] and I like the first Matrix
[00:39:30] I don't like the rest of the Matrix movie
[00:39:32] nobody does
[00:39:35] maybe not just like Keanu
[00:39:37] is he in all of those other movies
[00:39:39] but he's not in Boys in the Hood no
[00:39:40] although that would have been amazing if I'm honest with you
[00:39:44] just because I haven't seen it
[00:39:45] who would Keanu Reeves have played in
[00:39:47] dude you know you're the one editing this right
[00:39:50] wouldn't it be amazing if you just replaced Ice Cube with Keanu Reeves that big brilliant
[00:39:55] so during the second round of elections in Brazil
[00:40:00] in 2022
[00:40:02] Alessandro de Morais grows to more prominence than he had before
[00:40:06] because he was president of the Electoral Superior Court at the time
[00:40:11] so justices rotate some positions that they have to
[00:40:17] to have during their tenure
[00:40:20] and that is one of them being president of the Electoral Superior Court
[00:40:24] okay so what is it so
[00:40:27] hang on just to take a step back a wee bit
[00:40:30] so
[00:40:31] what is the Electoral Superior Court
[00:40:34] no I was going to ask what a justice was
[00:40:37] oh a justice is how you refer to a really big judge
[00:40:43] not big as in physically big big as in
[00:40:47] they are supreme court justices
[00:40:49] right okay so it's somebody who's been
[00:40:52] do they get elected to this position do they just
[00:40:55] no that is one of the things that Musk has now been kind of
[00:40:59] this unelected George
[00:41:01] and it makes it sound like he's some sort of dictator
[00:41:04] so for lower ranking judges you take a really hard test
[00:41:10] which is what happened to Alessandro de Morais in the first place
[00:41:13] so he wasn't a judge he first became a prosecutor
[00:41:18] and eventually rose in the ranks he was also
[00:41:24] secretary of using the cabinet in the in Sao Paulo city cabinet
[00:41:30] but once you become a higher ranking judge you are appointed
[00:41:34] so this is a supreme court justice is appointed by the president
[00:41:40] and Alessandro de Morais was appointed by Michel Thémiha
[00:41:44] after the coup against Joma
[00:41:47] that's surprising actually a little bit
[00:41:49] because you know Morais always painted as this kind of
[00:41:54] like radical left-wing kind of figure
[00:41:58] that's the thing he isn't he isn't a radical left-wing
[00:42:02] he used to be in right wing parties
[00:42:05] when he was a when he was in politics
[00:42:08] when he was in cabinet so he was a member of the
[00:42:12] PSL which now is the União Brasil
[00:42:17] and that party is a direct descendant of the dictatorship party
[00:42:22] so he was never really
[00:42:25] I would say from what I understand of his personality
[00:42:30] he was never really anything in terms of party identification
[00:42:35] he affiliated to the party that he needed to be affiliated with
[00:42:40] to be in the office he was being offered
[00:42:43] what is also becoming very clear is that it's very strict with rules
[00:42:47] so as you listen to his history with that with the podcast
[00:42:51] as you understand the stuff that he has done
[00:42:54] he used to be the secretary for security
[00:42:59] for public security in São Paulo during the
[00:43:03] during 2013 so when those big protests
[00:43:08] those mass protests happened in Brazil
[00:43:11] he was the one in charge of the police
[00:43:14] and the police was particularly brutal back then
[00:43:17] he was under fire he was very criticized
[00:43:21] but it seems to be part of his personality
[00:43:25] or his belief that there is a limit to what
[00:43:29] a public protest is and there are
[00:43:34] there is acceptable force that the police can use
[00:43:37] now I would say that right now he probably looks back on that
[00:43:40] and sees it as a mistake
[00:43:42] but I have no evidence of this because he is not much for interviews
[00:43:46] he doesn't really talk about the stuff he's done
[00:43:48] he doesn't even talk about it while he's doing it
[00:43:51] he's not somebody who does a lot of public interviews
[00:43:55] or even public appearances
[00:43:57] because this is the thing we do have
[00:43:59] he has been previously criticized by figures such as Glenn Greenwald and so on
[00:44:05] I'm not writing saying that he has been
[00:44:08] kind of like this lightning rock figure
[00:44:12] for the right in recent years as well
[00:44:16] in the sense that he has been involved in inquiries into fake news
[00:44:21] he has been involved in decisions that have benefitted
[00:44:27] Lula particularly in the run up to the election
[00:44:31] that kind of thing
[00:44:33] there has been particularly among supporters of Bolsonaro
[00:44:38] there has been you know he has become this kind of figure of
[00:44:42] you know he is the enemy type of thing
[00:44:45] yes because those are the people doing
[00:44:48] the shitty stuff that they shouldn't be doing
[00:44:52] right okay
[00:44:53] so the point is the decision that benefited Lula
[00:44:57] that perspective of being beneficial to Lula was
[00:45:00] then the second round of the election
[00:45:02] so the runoff elections
[00:45:04] there was a chief of highway patrol
[00:45:08] who blocked highways that would lead to polling stations
[00:45:13] so he was getting people
[00:45:14] he was stopping every single car
[00:45:17] especially cars that had stickers that identified these people
[00:45:22] as people who might vote for Lula
[00:45:25] and they were keeping these people there for hours
[00:45:30] so what did he do
[00:45:31] he called this chief of police over
[00:45:35] and told him you are in contempt
[00:45:38] what you are doing is electoral fraud
[00:45:40] there is absolutely no reason
[00:45:41] for you to be stopping these cars
[00:45:44] for you to have created these stops along these highways
[00:45:48] in the northeast where Lula is projected to have more votes
[00:45:53] than anywhere else
[00:45:54] you need to stop this right now
[00:45:56] or I will arrest you
[00:45:59] because he has the power to arrest someone
[00:46:02] so this guy gave the order to have this procedure cancelled
[00:46:07] but what Lula's camp had been asking for
[00:46:10] was actually that the elections were extended
[00:46:13] so in Brazil elections happened every two years
[00:46:17] on the second Sunday of October
[00:46:20] between 6 a.m. and 5 p.m.
[00:46:24] that is religious
[00:46:26] that is what happens
[00:46:27] they wanted it to last longer than 5 p.m.
[00:46:31] he said no
[00:46:32] there is no evidence that this has actually prevented people
[00:46:36] from eventually getting to the polling station
[00:46:39] nobody is actually being prevented from voting
[00:46:42] they arrived later but they managed to vote
[00:46:44] so he kind of you know did it by halves
[00:46:48] everybody got a little bit
[00:46:50] and there was actually no evidence
[00:46:52] that people were kept from voting
[00:46:54] and Lula won
[00:46:55] so it wasn't a decision that benefited Lula
[00:46:59] a decision to benefit Lula
[00:47:01] might actually have been to extend voting hours
[00:47:04] which has never been done to my recollection
[00:47:08] right now Musk is saying
[00:47:10] that he has even had the gall
[00:47:14] right now Musk has even had the gall
[00:47:16] to claim that Moraes has committed
[00:47:20] electoral interference
[00:47:23] which one wears your evidence
[00:47:25] two how
[00:47:28] I mean to be fair it isn't the first time
[00:47:31] that we've heard about elections being interfered with
[00:47:36] in some way shape or form
[00:47:38] I'm pretty sure we've heard that before
[00:47:41] I can't think where from though at this moment
[00:47:45] it's not coming to me
[00:47:49] but I mean I'm pretty sure that that's been a topic of discussion
[00:47:53] someplace at some time
[00:47:55] yep so what you're saying is just so I can just like clarify this
[00:48:00] is that
[00:48:03] Moraes isn't left or right necessarily
[00:48:08] he just follows the law
[00:48:13] and applies that in a rather strict manner
[00:48:18] yeah but he's not a shades of grey type character
[00:48:21] he is very much this is this is what it is
[00:48:26] yes this is the law therefore this is the judgment that I'm going to rule on
[00:48:30] and so on so forth this is the judgment I'm going to make
[00:48:33] so if he was a D&D character for argument's sake
[00:48:37] okay he wouldn't be necessarily good or evil
[00:48:43] but he would be more kind of lawful neutral
[00:48:47] yes that in that case
[00:48:49] yes okay
[00:48:51] but I would say one thing that he does lean
[00:48:55] that he does seem to lean towards very strongly
[00:48:59] is a defense of democratic idea and democratic rule
[00:49:03] because rules they exist in any shape
[00:49:07] in any way or form
[00:49:09] hundreds of years ago slavery was a rule
[00:49:13] it wasn't correct it was enforced
[00:49:15] so he isn't just the guy who follows rules
[00:49:19] and thinks rules should be followed simply because those are in place
[00:49:24] and one thing that you can see that in his trajectory
[00:49:29] is the fact that right now he defends the decriminalization
[00:49:34] of marijuana and that has actually passed in Brazil
[00:49:37] okay
[00:49:38] but when he was minister of justice for Thamme
[00:49:42] one of the first things he did was record a video
[00:49:48] a very silly video of him just chopping down plants
[00:49:53] and saying there won't be any illegal drugs in Brazil
[00:49:57] or some stupid thing like that
[00:49:59] so you can see that he can change his mind
[00:50:04] or at least publicly change his mind
[00:50:07] we don't actually know if when he recorded that video
[00:50:10] what his actual belief was
[00:50:13] if he was just doing that because the president told him to
[00:50:16] but he does now believe that the criminalization of marijuana
[00:50:24] is harmful to Brazilian society
[00:50:26] and there is a big difference between user and drug dealer
[00:50:32] and right now users of marijuana will no longer be jailed in Brazil
[00:50:38] and that was a decision he made
[00:50:41] but being a justice means that he can only act when quote unquote provoked
[00:50:48] but even that decision around marijuana user
[00:50:53] isn't that something that could be open to accusations then
[00:50:58] of the left leaning bias potentially
[00:51:01] you could argue that but I think one problem that has been happening
[00:51:06] is the personalization of the Supreme Court
[00:51:10] into his image into what I say image
[00:51:13] and there are 11 ministers in that court
[00:51:17] so a decision like the marijuana decision
[00:51:21] had to be passed by a majority
[00:51:24] so it wasn't just him voting on that
[00:51:26] but he is very much the face of the court though, right?
[00:51:31] No, I mean they rotate the presidency
[00:51:34] the problem is that he has become very famous
[00:51:39] and very in the limelight
[00:51:42] he's been put in the limelight
[00:51:44] because he has been
[00:51:46] he has taken over these cases of fake news
[00:51:50] and the H.Cabinet which was created during Bolsonaro's office
[00:51:57] by one of his children, Carlos
[00:52:00] so the Supreme Court divides their cases by random selection
[00:52:07] so he ended up with these cases
[00:52:09] and he just ends up in the limelight
[00:52:13] because he ended up with these cases
[00:52:15] he demanded that certain profiles online
[00:52:20] that were spreading fake news were shut down
[00:52:23] as is the law in Brazil
[00:52:26] and in social network that is requested
[00:52:29] to shut down a profile
[00:52:31] that is distributing fake news has two hours to do so
[00:52:35] Elon Musk did not comply with that ruling
[00:52:39] this is not about what Elon Musk was tweeting
[00:52:42] this is not about Elon Musk himself
[00:52:44] this is not about Twitter
[00:52:45] this is about several people who are using Twitter
[00:52:49] to distribute fake news
[00:52:51] but Elon Musk likes to think of himself
[00:52:54] as some sort of free speech warrior
[00:52:57] but Twitter isn't free speech
[00:53:00] Twitter is a social network
[00:53:02] and we need to stop confusing these things
[00:53:05] What is the actual ruling against Twitter then in that case?
[00:53:08] Why has it been banned from Brazil?
[00:53:11] So it's been banned because one piece of legislation that exists in Brazil
[00:53:16] is that any foreign company that operates in Brazil
[00:53:21] has to have legal representation in Brazil
[00:53:23] and Twitter has removed their legal representation in Brazil
[00:53:29] because they were pissy about the original ruling
[00:53:33] to remove those profiles
[00:53:35] If you don't have legal representation in Brazil
[00:53:39] you are not allowed to operate in Brazil
[00:53:43] Right, so just to clarify then in that case
[00:53:46] the reason why this has happened is
[00:53:51] the reason why this has happened
[00:53:54] is because there was a tantrum?
[00:53:57] Yes. Okay, but it was a tantrum from
[00:54:00] Elon Musk
[00:54:02] not appointing somebody that is legally required
[00:54:08] Yeah
[00:54:09] So he decided to shut down
[00:54:12] access offices in Brazil
[00:54:16] which means they are no longer allowed to operate in Brazil
[00:54:20] That same thing would happen with Facebook
[00:54:23] that same thing would happen with any other company
[00:54:27] even a non-social media company
[00:54:29] not internet company
[00:54:31] any company, Google
[00:54:33] If Google removed their legal representation from Brazil
[00:54:36] they will no longer be allowed to operate in Brazil
[00:54:39] But that... Okay, so what we are saying is
[00:54:42] the question really shouldn't be
[00:54:47] why Morais has done this
[00:54:49] The question really should be
[00:54:51] why Elon Musk has done this then in that case
[00:54:53] because the ball is very much in his court
[00:54:56] Yeah
[00:54:57] So I've seen a few legal experts
[00:55:02] or at least people with law degrees
[00:55:05] talk about or try to be very unbiased
[00:55:08] about the situation and say
[00:55:10] well, Morais has done this and has done that
[00:55:12] and one of the things that they've complained about
[00:55:15] is the fact that he put a subpoena for Elon Musk on Twitter
[00:55:19] And this case is running in secrecy of court
[00:55:25] I think that's the expression
[00:55:27] I think in English there might be a different expression
[00:55:29] that I can't quite remember
[00:55:31] but basically this is a thing that exists
[00:55:34] in other countries
[00:55:36] Yeah, absolutely
[00:55:37] In the UK it's known as Ninja Court
[00:55:41] No, it's just basically certain documents cannot be released
[00:55:48] certain names, certain...
[00:55:51] Dude, stop pretending to be a ninja
[00:55:54] I will not
[00:55:55] So now they are claiming that he's doing this in secret
[00:55:59] Both certainly legal experts and Elon Musk himself
[00:56:03] So when he posts the subpoena
[00:56:05] people are saying, oh but it's wrong to try subpoena someone over Twitter
[00:56:10] There's no actual evidence that he didn't subpoena him
[00:56:14] via any other legal means of communication
[00:56:18] But the way to subpoena someone is to make it publicly known
[00:56:24] So the way to make something publicly known in Brazil
[00:56:27] that is legally binding
[00:56:29] that you can say, see I legally did this
[00:56:33] and this person had to have known that I did it
[00:56:36] If you just put it on a newspaper
[00:56:40] or the official diary of the union
[00:56:43] then that person has been legally notified
[00:56:46] Now I don't know the exact details and ins and outs of this
[00:56:51] because I am not a lawyer
[00:56:52] but Elon Musk has only responded to Brazilian courts via Twitter
[00:56:59] He does not respond in any other way
[00:57:02] There is no legal representation in Brazil anymore
[00:57:05] So it does make sense to post the subpoena
[00:57:10] if he hasn't been replied to in other means
[00:57:14] by other means
[00:57:15] So that is my first pet peeve with this discussion
[00:57:19] with how people are discussing this
[00:57:22] My second pet peeve has been this whole
[00:57:24] but it's done with secrecy
[00:57:26] Yes, it's a secrecy of court
[00:57:29] There are several other court cases that are being run in secret
[00:57:33] both in Brazil, in the US, in the UK and in various other countries
[00:57:38] Why is this one bothering you people?
[00:57:42] Oh but he is not elected
[00:57:44] Neither are supreme court justices in the United States
[00:57:47] Why is this one bothering you?
[00:57:50] Oh but it's censorship
[00:57:52] When the United States was trying to ban TikTok
[00:57:56] it was considered a beautiful form of freedom of speech
[00:58:00] So most Brazilians just went to Blue Sky
[00:58:04] Blue Sky is actually posting bilingually
[00:58:08] because it's acquired 1 million users over 3 days
[00:58:13] So this has been the best thing to have ever happened to Blue Sky
[00:58:17] I mean I joined Blue Sky this week in preparation for this
[00:58:23] Just to see what the deal was with Blue Sky
[00:58:26] Currently I just follow you
[00:58:29] I mean it's the thing that the main actor from everybody hates Chris did not get
[00:58:34] You don't piss off Brazilians
[00:58:36] I mean there's some context to this
[00:58:39] Okay good I thought you were just going to leave that hanging there for a moment
[00:58:42] So everybody hates Chris is a very big show in Brazil
[00:58:47] Okay, it wasn't that big in the US
[00:58:50] It was aired on an open network in Brazil in the afternoons
[00:58:56] dubbed in Portuguese
[00:58:57] and people could really relate to the whole
[00:59:01] my husband has 3 jobs kind of thing
[00:59:04] and I don't know it just resonated
[00:59:08] and the main actor I don't know his name
[00:59:12] got very annoyed that he had Brazilians just messaging him
[00:59:19] just posting on his profiles constantly
[00:59:22] with good things positive things
[00:59:25] but I don't think he liked that people just acknowledged him as Chris
[00:59:29] from everybody hates Chris
[00:59:33] but his best friend in the show
[00:59:37] I also don't remember his name
[00:59:40] posted himself
[00:59:41] I mean it's great that you started talking about this when you don't
[00:59:45] I know right
[00:59:45] when you don't actually remember anything about any of these people
[00:59:49] I mean all the other actors
[00:59:51] the one that I will remember is Terry Crews
[00:59:54] all have enjoyed their Brazilian fame
[00:59:56] and one of them who played Chris's best friend
[01:00:01] wore a t-shirt that said
[01:00:03] I am famous in Brazil
[01:00:04] in Portuguese
[01:00:06] and he got millions and millions of followers within a few days
[01:00:10] because Chris managed
[01:00:12] the actor who played Chris
[01:00:14] managed to piss off Brazilians
[01:00:18] and Brazilians then
[01:00:20] to the point that he had a McDonald's ad about it
[01:00:24] and then Brazilians then said
[01:00:26] oh Burger King sure hired the other guy
[01:00:28] to do an ad
[01:00:30] and Burger King did
[01:00:32] so basically don't piss off Brazilians
[01:00:35] because all most Brazilians are feeling is
[01:00:39] Musk thinks he's a billionaire
[01:00:41] so he doesn't have to follow our laws
[01:00:43] well fuck him we're just gonna go to Blue Sky now
[01:00:46] Fabulous
[01:00:47] Yeah
[01:00:48] Cool, there we go
[01:00:49] so that in a nutshell
[01:00:51] is what's happening
[01:00:53] with Twitter and Brazil
[01:00:55] Yeah
[01:00:55] I mean now the problem is
[01:00:58] the decisions of Moraes to
[01:01:01] try to block VPNs
[01:01:03] and find people who use VPNs
[01:01:06] to access Twitter
[01:01:09] and a lot of that just feels
[01:01:12] a bit petty
[01:01:14] and a bit like somebody who doesn't understand
[01:01:16] how a VPN actually works
[01:01:18] Yeah
[01:01:19] but also this does
[01:01:22] in that case play into this idea of him being
[01:01:25] straight as an arrow when it comes to the rule of law
[01:01:28] doesn't it?
[01:01:30] It feels a bit petty but it also plays into that
[01:01:33] and then he blocked Starlink
[01:01:35] that is also another Elon Musk company
[01:01:38] and it provides satellite internet
[01:01:41] but basically it blocks the internet of
[01:01:46] farmland for people in really
[01:01:50] far away places and it's usually just
[01:01:52] remote areas
[01:01:53] remote areas so it's basically
[01:01:55] agribusinesses like the major agribusinesses
[01:01:59] that are gonna go without internet
[01:02:02] which honestly crime your river
[01:02:04] Wow
[01:02:05] Wow
[01:02:07] Oh my God
[01:02:08] What?
[01:02:09] That's unnecessary fuck you to farmers
[01:02:12] No, not farmers
[01:02:15] agribusiness
[01:02:15] I didn't expect to come out against farmers
[01:02:18] during this
[01:02:18] The people who borrowed the Amazon to plant soy
[01:02:22] I don't give a shit about those people
[01:02:24] Farmers who are planting our food
[01:02:27] is not agribusiness
[01:02:28] that's family farming
[01:02:30] Well we'll see when we get
[01:02:32] a thousand angry emails
[01:02:34] Then you can go to my blog
[01:02:36] and there's a whole explanation over there
[01:02:39] where your food actually comes from
[01:02:41] and it's not agribusiness
[01:02:43] they're not planting our food
[01:02:45] they're not growing the cattle
[01:02:46] that becomes our protein
[01:02:49] that is family farming
[01:02:51] Hmm, okay
[01:02:52] and where can you read that?
[01:02:55] Laudicephacialto.com
[01:02:57] Wow, okay
[01:02:59] So not only did you manage to start a
[01:03:01] flame war with a bunch of farmers
[01:03:04] you also kind of segue that
[01:03:06] into a cheap plug as well
[01:03:08] You asked
[01:03:10] That was some impressive work
[01:03:12] for showing how I'll be honest with you
[01:03:14] that was, you know, quality rage baiting
[01:03:17] that was
[01:03:18] You asked
[01:03:19] But he's already walked back
[01:03:21] the Starlink blocking
[01:03:23] basically he wanted to block
[01:03:25] their financial assets
[01:03:26] so that Starlink would be liable
[01:03:29] to pay the fines
[01:03:31] Musk owes
[01:03:33] for disobeying
[01:03:35] legal orders
[01:03:37] Yeah
[01:03:38] But he's walked that back
[01:03:41] Okay
[01:03:41] He's walked back
[01:03:42] Google and Apple
[01:03:45] removing VPN
[01:03:47] apps from their stores
[01:03:49] but the fine
[01:03:52] for using a VPN to access
[01:03:54] Twitter is still in place
[01:03:57] Okay
[01:03:58] As of this recording
[01:04:00] this might change
[01:04:01] Right, okay
[01:04:03] So it's still
[01:04:04] wait and see then in that case
[01:04:06] Yeah, because there's really no way to enforce that
[01:04:09] and the Brazilian Association
[01:04:12] of Lawyers is challenging
[01:04:14] that ruling saying
[01:04:16] this kind of ban
[01:04:18] doesn't harm
[01:04:19] Musk
[01:04:20] it harms just regular people
[01:04:22] So that's where that currently
[01:04:24] stands at this moment in time
[01:04:26] but the upshot of this is
[01:04:27] if we're doing a very brief summary of this
[01:04:31] Elon Musk is a weenie
[01:04:34] and a dumbass who doesn't like to follow
[01:04:37] the law
[01:04:38] of other countries
[01:04:40] Cool
[01:04:41] So just in case
[01:04:43] we get sued to oblivion
[01:04:45] and I have to sell my shoe laces
[01:04:48] in order just to survive
[01:04:50] I want to say thank you very much
[01:04:52] to the research for doing all the research this week
[01:04:55] Just a quick shout out
[01:04:57] if you like this episode
[01:04:59] we have a cat log of back episodes
[01:05:01] that you can go and listen to
[01:05:03] Don't know if we'll be doing another one of these anytime soon
[01:05:06] at all whatsoever
[01:05:07] We weren't really going to do this one
[01:05:09] but it happened so
[01:05:11] Yeah, absolutely
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[01:05:22] and all that's left to be said
[01:05:25] is it's a good night from me
[01:05:27] and a good night from
[01:05:32] Good night
[01:05:35] Cool
[01:05:36] That was slit, wasn't it?
[01:05:38] You can see how professional we are
[01:05:40] with this
[01:05:41] We are deeply, deeply profesh still
[01:05:44] Wasn't awkward in any way shape or form
[01:05:47] I didn't understand what I was supposed to do
[01:05:49] Just say good bye
[01:05:50] Okay
[01:05:51] Bye everyone
[01:05:52] Thank you for listening
[01:05:54] If you want us to keep doing this
[01:05:56] Don't say anything
[01:05:58] Let us know
[01:06:00] No, because I'm so tired
[01:06:03] Me too, I worked all day
[01:06:06] Like once a month
[01:06:08] Those
[01:06:08] Okay, bye
[01:06:10] You were using
[01:06:13] other people to emotionally blackmail me
[01:06:16] Not only, right?
[01:06:17] You've escalated
[01:06:19] You emotionally blackmail me all the time
[01:06:22] I do not
[01:06:24] You're worse than my mother
[01:06:25] Dare you
[01:06:27] How dare you
[01:06:28] You now have an hour and a half to edit
[01:06:30] And I have to remember how do I upload this
[01:06:33] Oh my god, okay, cool
[01:06:35] Get to it, mister
[01:06:37] Thank you so much
[01:06:38] Thank you everybody for listening
[01:06:39] Take care
[01:06:40] Good night
[01:06:41] God bless
[01:06:42] All that stuff
[01:06:42] Bye bye
[01:06:44] Thanks everyone
[01:06:44] Bye
[01:06:55] It's the trading cards thing
[01:06:56] Got me in the mood for it now
[01:06:57] You ever trade in curd?
[01:06:59] Stop it
[01:07:00] Never
[01:07:01] I will never stop doing that
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[01:07:12] and Garrett Davis
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[01:07:26] Yeah, do you want to clap?
[01:07:29] Yeah, but you just started
[01:07:31] You don't have your hands up
[01:07:32] My hands are here
[01:07:36] Three, two, one
[01:07:38] Clap
[01:07:40] Do that again
[01:07:41] Just, you did this, right?
[01:07:43] You went three, two, one
[01:07:45] It's cause there's a little bit of a delay
[01:07:48] on the video
[01:07:49] That's fine
[01:07:50] Just we clap on one
[01:07:52] Don't we clap on one and then a pause
[01:07:54] and then you shout clap
[01:07:55] and then we clap
[01:07:56] That makes no sense
[01:07:57] Three, two
[01:08:01] What are you waiting for?
[01:08:05] You are a bratty
[01:08:07] I'm a bratty
[01:08:08] You just need to say three, two, one
[01:08:11] and then we clap
[01:08:12] It's all that is happening here
[01:08:13] It's really not that complicated
[01:08:15] I'm not gonna look at you
[01:08:18] Three, two, one
[01:08:20] Clap
[01:08:20] No, don't say clap
[01:08:22] We'll clap on one
[01:08:24] Bye
[01:08:26] Do you want to clap?
[01:08:27] Yes, thank God
[01:08:28] Right
[01:08:29] Okay, fine
[01:08:30] So we're gonna clap on one
[01:08:31] Okay, so three, two, one back
[01:08:33] Okay, right?
[01:08:34] Okay, so three, two, one
[01:08:37] See how much easier that was?
